Curse

HawkofStorms · Apr 08, 2009, 07:26 PM // 19:26

Palm strike really isn't that great as a single heal getting off will be enough to stop their chain from killing you. Plus there are plenty of counters (antimelee hate should always be on any smart players bar in unorganized PvP). Palm Strike by itself isn't enough to kill you, it's the rest of the chain that does.

A good palm strike sin though can be pretty vicious (ie, if you run into a PS sin who doesn't attack through hexes, tries to fake out players to draw interupts and prots to the wrong targets, practice good positioning, and actually has some utility/selfheal/condition removal type skills).

Those good PS sins are few and far between, but there definitely is some skill involved in using them. You can easily tell the difference between a good and a bad PS sin.

Touch rangers on the other hand.... jabbing 1, 2, faster is about the only thing that can make them more effective. A "good" touch ranger is just as good as a bad one, which is a problem.

Red Sonya · Apr 08, 2009, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Alleji

Life siphon is terrible. Especially on a toucher. Toucher is a melee template, you just have to live with not having ranged attacks. If you try to add them, you're gimping yourself, which is apparently what you've done... and no, you don't have a viable snare option. Don't try to put things into a build that's not supposed to have them. If you can't chase down targets with a permanent 33% speed boost, you're terrible.

Oh, and just leave the water ele alone.

This is also what I mean about people who think you MUST play only ONE type of build from a particular build. I've found the Life Siphon and pet build quite deadly and there's not enough reduction in the damage when I am in melee range to hurt me. I still kill my opponents if they are up close and don't have the proper counters vs a touch. Some of you need to get your head out of wiki and realize there are more builds that WORK in GW than YOU or anyone else knows about. But, you will always have these ^ nubs who believe in the wiki and the wiki alone and nothing outside of the wiki works hahahaha and that is why I stomp them so in pvp battles like RA and AB and even FA and JQ. Keep on playing wiki builds and I'll keep on making those that will stomp you every time.

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People will call you names when you beat them. It's just the nature of the beast, especially in any situation even related to PvP.

You see the average PvPer's ego is a ravenous beast that demands indulgence at all times. When something comes along that diminishes it's grandeur, it demands answers. Frantic to find these answers and appease the beast, the PvPer grasps at the only idea it's frenzied mind can produce "Surely it is not from a lack of skill or planning on my part that I have suffered this ignoble defeat! No! Surely this scoundrel must have done something horridly wrong to cause this nightmare!" So he summons the whole of his wit and fury and expels what he knows to be the most damning of accusations "NOOB!" Thus the beast within is appeased, confident that his harsh and crippling ridicule and the social rejection that must surely follow has reduced the offender's fragile sense of self worth to near nothingness.

...or you know....something like that >.>

Lol The8th you win thread. I enjoy the name calling because it just fuels my fire to make the battle last even longer. Like in RA battles and instead of just dying to end the match I will RUNNNNNNNNN around the map to show them they weren't prepared for all types of builds. hahaha Of course I get called every name in the book, threatened to be reported (though it will do no good as Anet has already said this is a viable tactic) and make them wait that 6 minutes or however long is left before they get to the next battle. lol I've seen some leave though and I get a WIN out of that because they just got dishonor points and very likely will have to sit out for 10 minutes or so because they'll likely do it again before an hour passes.

Esprit · Apr 08, 2009, 07:55 PM // 19:55

I play Palm Strike in JQ from time to time. It's fun. I like to camp portals and wait for the same person to come out and kill them again and again. Did I say it's fun?

There are counters to everything. And people who are like "Duh, use "Can't Touch This!": Who has that skill on a normal build? Hardly anyone. And once you see Palm Strike on you, you won't have to time to use Glyph + Steam to Blind. You'll be dead before you can cast the second skill, assuming you have left the ground from being knocked down so many times.

Snow Bunny · Apr 08, 2009, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Why are none of you running an axe warrior and [shock]ing the motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOers?

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 08, 2009, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Why are none of you running an axe warrior and [shock]ing the motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOers?

cause people don't want to run great old proven pvp builds. You nub.

Nodakim · Apr 08, 2009, 08:55 PM // 20:55

My echo shockwave Ele can kill make a toucher cry...

Lycan Nibbler · Apr 09, 2009, 02:09 AM // 02:09

I love the fact that people are talking about AB and skill level in the same phrase. Anyone who plays a toucher spamming 1-2 all the time with an occasional 3, just arent fully utilizing the build. I always take at least three attack skills -prob more (or I did when I did ABs). There are counters to every build, just people like to moan more in AB (something to do while they are dead I guess).
As for the people here talking about skill in AB... oh yes, your pressing your 8 keys is so much superior to someone only pressing 4,5,6 or 7 of the 8...
Thanks for the laugh, gave me something to read on my flying visit through guru.

byteme! · Apr 09, 2009, 02:41 AM // 02:41

When an immature brat gets constantly owned by the same person running the same build the only thing left for him to do is bitch, complain, or call you names. If the only thing these people can come up with is "Omg noob using a noob build pressing 1212121" then just ignore it. That said person has got nothing on you so keep doing what you do.

Sticks and stones my friend.....sticks and stones.

Dervish Kid · Apr 09, 2009, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by Robbeh The Mad

Personally I have more of a problem with MMs that can create a small army and eles that can blast you with overly powered aoe spells while hideing behind obsidian flesh. Those builds don't take very much skill or thought process either, but yet I don't see people complaining about them. What's the difference?

you can counter eles easily..eles are balanced in this game right now..

Arkantos · Apr 09, 2009, 03:04 AM // 03:04

People bitch and moan about touchers and palm strikers because:

The builds are incredibly easy to run
The builds are very powerful in a random team environment
Bringing counters is too hard for many ABers

AKB48 · Apr 09, 2009, 05:01 AM // 05:01

In Conclusion:

-People will bitch because they are weaklings and because their shit build can't beat your meta build.
-Don't worry about it, let them bitch, the louder they bitch the more pissed they are. Good entertainment imo.

Martin Alvito · Apr 09, 2009, 05:20 AM // 05:20

The problem is that the builds are junk but still constrain build makers. PS/Touch get maximum results for the unskilled, yet numerous builds outperform these builds given player skill behind the keyboard. Since the unskilled outnumber the skilled by a wide margin, you always see PS/Touch in the meta.

This limits build diversity and generally irritates people. You could do lots of fun things if you didn't have to worry about finding a way to shut off a character that can self-heal as fast as it puts out damage. Further, you can lose to these builds if your randomly selected teammates are also skilless and unable to counter them. Losing to bad players running bad builds because all of your teammates died due to their inability to counter the bad builds is irritating.

Ctb · Apr 09, 2009, 02:02 PM // 14:02

For the same reason people get mad about spawn campers in FPSes and people who juggle comboed you against the edge of the screen in old 2D fighters: it's cheap. Yea, it's a legitimate use of the game rules, but it's still a lazy way to win. That tends to annoy people who are trying to actually put some thought into their "strategery".

Still, it's a legit use of the game rules, so either get used to getting called a nub or stop doing it. If it bugs you that much, switch yourself to Do Not Disturb. It's really up to you. You can use lazy tactics if you want, but there are going to be consequences, so you'll have to get used to it.

Of course, I will point out that all of this would be a non-issue if you didn't magically forget 242 skills the instant you step outside a town or outpost.... that I'll never understand.

Asda che ti Passa · Apr 09, 2009, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Hanging Man

People dont like touchers or palm strike sins because it is a generally simple build to play, and it generally kills alot of people.

I never run sins, period. But I have run touchers, and it is a blast

Although touchers are fun, and an easy effective build, they are not invincible.

people just don't like to see other people kill them using stupid or easy-to-play builds.

press 1 2 3 is fun? nice

Tyla · Apr 09, 2009, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Touchers are just ineffective. But for their skill level, they do a fairly decent amount of damage in trade for how weak they are compared to how much skill it takes to play properly.

Palm Strikers are imbalanced. You'd be stupid not to run that on a 'Sin if you're being serious.

Sir Baddock · Apr 09, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Robbeh The Mad

It never fails, you're playing AB someone makes a "Toucher n00b" or "Palmstrike n00b" comment. I don't get it, what's so wrong with touchers and sins useing palmstrike? It’s part of their skills arsenal, what’s wrong with using them? It’s a kin to complaining about nukers or MMs in AB, I don’t see that happening. I play a wammo in AB most of the time by the way so I have nothing to do with touching or plamstriking. I’m just wondering what the big deal is.

My favorite is "PvX noob" or "Wiki noob", best part about it is my name is "Q Q I use P V X", the best part is after someone insults you for running Palm Strike, Toucher, anything that is clearly FUN you're insulted, because of this I have basically stopped playing in Alliance Battles, Aspenwood, Jade Quarry, Team Arena's, and tend to stick to HA / GvG.

KIDGOOCH · Apr 09, 2009, 07:09 PM // 19:09

I play touch ranger with a bow, Jin's (Green low req) bow to use poison then kill by touching, by time people start flaming they've died twice at my hands. Why do I do this? Because I don't like PvP and want eveyone to suffer like me for having to do it (Factions cartography sucks for having to clear those two areas).

Kerwyn Nasilan · Apr 09, 2009, 08:21 PM // 20:21

People in AB are either honestly stupid or trolling and will complain about everything, like sins and warriors calling people cowards for kiting, or crippling them. You should make it your duty to destroy these stupid RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOers verbally and in with your character.

TwinRaven · Apr 09, 2009, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea

Some players feel that those builds don't require skill to play, and that they are overpowered unless properly countered. You can say the same for a lot of builds in the current meta, but some are simply met with more hate than others. Touch Rangers have been around since the release of Factions (if earlier please correct me) so they have accumulated a good deal of hate.

Before Prophecies was called Prophecies there were Touch Rangers. Instead of using Vampiric Touch and its Factions twin Vampiric Bite, we used Touch of Agony, which cost 10% health, but made up for it in the amount of health stolen. Touchers were not as common, before Factions, but hated all the same.

Some people lament the simplicity of the Toucher as a bad thing with little or no thought or variation...1-2-1-2-etc...but there is some thought as to the type of toucher you want to play (offensive/defensive skills). For survivability's sake, picking the right elite can make or break the build if you take it outside RA. Also, dealing with cripshot and interrupts can be a challenge at times...I recomend Plague Sending over Plague Touch, with a small investment in curses...In any event, I have 6 variations of the toucher I bring out depending on the circumstances. Not my favorite way to play, generally, but then I don't PvP all that often.

I have played as Trapper, Toucher, Beast Master and loved them all...Toucher is just a way to mix up the monotany these days. No more or less valuble than any other ranger variation in the right setting.

As for Palm Striker...I kept trying to play a Sin, but never made it to lvl 20 before deleting it...just not my thing.

BadgerznPie · Apr 09, 2009, 09:58 PM // 21:58

1. People are stupid.
2. People call you names when they lose, because of e-peen.
3. People call you names when they win, because of e-peen.
4. ????
5. Profit!
6. People are stupid.